energy in gasoline/diesel vs. energy in battery There are loads of obstacles that will slowly need to be removed. Which means the average life is 20 years (helped along by the 30s and 40s still chugging). Parking lots. Think of just the noise and emission reduction in New York City or Tokyo if only EVs were allowed. May be a reasonable assumption, but probably not (I guess the electric car could run in a vacuum….). I also like the fact that I don’t need to re-map the FI, adjust the valves, change the oil etc. Meeting that criteria makes them a niche vehicle though and until we run out of oil ICE will remain king as they have fewer drawbacks for more people. A recent working paper from a group of German researchers at the thinktank Institute for Economic Research (ifo) found that “electric vehicles will barely help cut CO2 emissions in Germany over the coming years”. As I have in the past when my daily commuter wasn’t (IMO) reliable enough for long trips, I could easily rent an ICE equipped car when I need to go on a long trip. Not being a huge fan of EVs, these numbers are somewhat surprising for me — maybe we ARE getting closer to seeing practical electric cars (once the costs come down, range improves, and infrastructure is established for fast and convenient recharging). Not sure what you read, did you read this? People with 150k miles are still claiming the same battery range as when new. the entire life cycle performance (including production of the battery). According to the LCA, the Diesel generates 29g CO2/km while a comparable EV generates 57g CO2/km. It was produced for the Austrian army in the 1780s. (My pickup is a 2006 model. To be the Devil’s Advocate here, because the battery study took into account the CO2 released for mining, then similar calculations should be made for drilling and extraction of crude oil. Indeed, according to a recent Swedish report, Tesla battery production releases as much CO2 as eight years of gasoline driving. At 100 kWh per 265 mile charge – and assuming no degradation in battery efficiency – you end up with 2.65 miles traveled per kWh. @pkudude99 Battery electric vehicles in the UK produce half the CO2 of a traditionally fuelled car, even when their battery production is taken into account, according to new research. There’s no way a recharging station can be powered by solar. I did run extensive environmental tests on them and I remember them being pretty amazing at low temperatures as compared with any other batteries (all lead-acid and ni-cad IIRC) I tested. It certainly shouldn’t come as a surprise to an intelligent person. (I’d be curious to see critiques of my analysis.) I would never exaggerate battery chemistry. Hence the example. John, let’s wait until the average age of the two fleets are similar. In the original study they looked at multiple studies to involving Battery CO2 emissions and used that information to calculate likely ranges for manufacturing, charging, recycling and other batter related CO2 emission. Most lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles in Europe in 2016 were produced in Japan and South Korea, where approximately 25%–40% of electricity generation is from coal. This is important, not re Tesla, but re the turnover time for the fleet. “It is a result that surprised Mia Romare.” Charging big lithium batteries to give them any sort of useful lifespan means charging them at similar charge rates to their depletion rate (ideally much slower). And if that’s true, then the EV would still release less CO2 overall. Here’s an article speculating on ‘bunker’ ammonia as a maritime fuel. They aren’t cheaper today, and never will be. That means that you consume about 75,500 kWh in order to travel 200,000 miles. We can establish that at 200,000 miles the car will have lost to about 19mpg when the tesla s 85kwh is at 70% remaining capacity and still requiring nearly 100kWh to charge fully over 10 hour period. What is the total production of CO2 in a mid-sized car down to the last nut and bolt. – Cost per kWh of gas ~ $0.07 There are no magic batteries on the horizon to make the impossible possible.” fossil fuels. (b)In any gas powered car, you have the Engine, Transmission, Fuel tank, fuel lines, Carb/Injector system, Lead-Acid battery, Starter, and Alternator-for the analogous power plant. – Moderate range (e.g. http://www.ivl.se/download/18.5922281715bdaebede95a9/1496136143435/C243.pdf You have to look at the total picture. Is it paywalled? You can find it here: https://www.ivl.se/download/18.5922281715bdaebede9559/1496046218976/C243+The+life+cycle+energy+consumption+and+CO2+emissions+from+lithium+ion+batteries+.pdf michael You need to include the energy saving of electric cars by regenerative braking such as happens in hybrid cars. In that fashion, they are very similar to global warming enthusiasts. Engine noise on a coasting piston engined car is tiny and that is a common enough situation. . The mine dump truck is 1865 kW. Of course this is never mentioned or discussed by the advocates. Do you believe in the Tooth Fairy too Griff? It’s mature technology and well understood with the biggest downside being the lead and the sulfuric acid electrolyte. @RAC, the average age of a car on the road in the U.S. is over 11 years, so it certainly isn’t rare for a car to last 8-12 years here. The reality is much closer to being a factor of 2. When the garage owner installs a battery pack and tells you that it is almost brand new so he’s going to have to charge a couple of hundred extra dollars because the one he just pulled from your car is 4 years old, do you trust him?) Since it’s to do with tax revenue, you can bet the penalty for tampering with such a tracker would be a six figure fine and about ten years of prison time. They may be cheaper in a mild climate, but for those who live in more rigorous climates such as Canada, Russia, or the Northern US, there are special requirements to keep the battery warm in the Winter, and additional drain on the battery to keep passengers warm in the Winter. Driver got out, filled the tank, washed the windows, and took the receipt. Some things succeed and others don’t. The electric car weighs about 1000 pounds more and that tells the story either in labor or materials.
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