You might be interested in this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_earring The Hawaiian Earring. Everyone is their own universe spinning independently" and then something about not imposing your will on them. raedyohed,Here is how QL42 explains in the last paragraph:...meaning before I can claim experience with God in a rational way, it must be independently verified by the personal experiences of others. Our scientific publications are publicly available and there has never been an issue with a referee that anything about being LDS has hindered top-notch science being done. Part of LDS doctrine is the idea that we have existed as "intelligences" for an eternity before we lived on this earth. In that case I can see how it would be hard to understand how intuition can be objective since it is in effect a manifestation of knowledge that is difficult (at best) or impossible (at worst) to trace. It doesn’t. Maybe two strict realists who don't have any data in common can't have a meaningful dialogue, but two idealists who are able to reason along the same lines can. While rationalism and empiricism may differ in their epistemological approach, they are (with a few key exceptions) ontologically the same. "it defines western philosophy" -- Well, yes, that's the idea. I do not have to experience drugs or alcohol to know of their negative effects.Also, this is not such an outlandish idea that it only comes up in drug culture. Ancient1,Sorry, I have been away today so not able to respond. Ancient1,Sorry if I came across with a condescending tone. QL42-Having not completely finished your post yet (it's long, gonna take me a while to digest it), I feel like you and Ancient 1 are really talking past each other.I think you're talking about the plausibility of believing/knowing things outside of the current scientific method framed in various schools of philosophy. In the above dramatization, ancient1 being the one calming dogs are smarter than humans is under the burden to define what he means, not me.But, just like in real life, the ancient1 in the story makes a claim without providing the necessary information needed to weigh the claim and then calls me a "know-it-all" because I would like to know where he is coming from. realist epistemology must be ontological; and of course all types of knowledge-ontological, ethical, theological, and other types of philosophical knowledge, as well as non-philosophical types of knowledge-must be realist if realism is demonstrated to be true. Now is this quantifiable? Epistemological Idealism . On one hand I want to help but on the other hand the concept is so trivial it is hard to not sound condescending. Ancient1 - That's an interesting question, I think mostly stemming from the notion that meaningful discourse cannot take place unless the discussants "separately have personal experiences with God" then." In the talk by Truman G. Madsen, that I mentioned above, he lists five ways that encompass just about everything you might find in epistemology. This mechanism is strong enough to answer questions about the creation, the flood and any other question. Athletes regularly practice and run plays and patterns, so that they will have experience. Why don't you look at my comments on this post, and previous post of NN about Priest. share | improve this question | follow | edited Mar 29 at 11:27. Idealism as a philosophy came under heavy attack in the West at the turn of the 20th century. The reality is it is genuinely harder to be a thinker than a criticizer. It is the promise of 72 virgins that motivates the young Muslim to strap a belt that explodes under the command of someone else. The difference between rationalism and empiricism would be like two theories where one accepts conservation of mass and the other does not, but both accept conservation of energy. English (wikipedia idealism) Noun; The property of a person of having high ideals that are usually unrealizable or at odds with practical life. In order for us to be able to differentiate between idealism and realism, we must first have a thorough understanding of the two terms. "we all have heard of data manipulation to meet the beliefs of scientists. Why don’t we have cookie-cutter physicists all over the world, heck, we have been imparting “the experiences” for a long time. Are you all engaged in subverting science so that it meets LDS requirements? And since you are the one saying orangutans being able to swing make them the better scientists means you are the one that has to provide the burden of proof. This will show that Hegel’s brand of idealism is, and is intended to be, fully compatible with epistemological realism. Ideas as to what there is can range from numbers to tables, so realism regarding a given ontology may seem more or less appealing or acceptable depending on the intuitions and beliefs one might already have about the reality of the sorts of things in that ontology. It is important to note that there are three main strands in Hegel’s idealism, an epistemological strand, an ontological strand, and a moral strand. ").Furthermore, an objective world view would be in direct opposition to the idea of torture, as it would be impossible to force, through torture or other means, a particular view, opinion or world view. Or, two people cannot talk rationally and logically about the taste of oranges if both have not tasted oranges.There's nothing about imposing beliefs on others. This is made much easier when we have shared experiences, hence the demand to proselytize. We do not!raedyohed, I don't know anything about you other than what you have posted here, so I don't know if you are LDS or not. * realism idealism . On the other hand, realism is outside of our minds. Some have argued, though, that Plato nevertheless also held to a position similar to Immanuel Kant's Transcendental Idealism. Idealism is when you envision or see things in an ideal or perfect manner. I consider your act of deletion as a demonstration of cowardliness of spirit; yet, you did feel compelled to explain your action, and that makes me happy.Further you offered me to let you know others comments I find as attack. My gut feel is that orangutans probably do better experimental science than many here.My position has been a scientist does not need label like religion, male etc., and a person of faith does not need science as crutches to walk on the path. You haveot responded to my comments which basically is that religious scientist is an oxymoron, which by now, puts most of you in that category.Scientific work has to be reproducible independently as reported. OK, now for my responses. It is homeomorphic to a countably infinite family of open intervals because you can construct it by taking one open interval and do the one point compactification at zero. Faith is unique to each of us, and without faith, we do nothing. But the core meaning of realism is, I believe, epistemological. Ancient1,You are right, my claim is only as strong as the peer review process which I agree is flawed. The most influential critics of both epistemological and ontological idealism were G. E. Moore and Bertrand Russell, but its critics also included the new realists. If so we at least know the set is not empty.We can start with there and then begin to construct the set. The science community has realized progress works best when people are forced to keep the the discussion at an elevated level.However, given it takes two to tango for that I apologize and if you feel any of mine or anyone else's comments were riddled with personal attacks let me know which ones you think were over the top and I will delete those too.Again, I hope you stick around but I also hope to keep the discussion elevated. More precisely, would you select an LDS as a PhD candidate or a fellow from Africa who practiced rather unusual faith, both smart, and African more so, as he/she has seen world from different perspective than LDS views? Modern realism has various forms such as, scientific, sociopolitical, aesthetic, epistemological and moral realism. Epistemological idealism can mean one of two unrelated positions: Everything we experience and know is of a mental nature, sense data in philosophical jargon.
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